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Post by RustiSwordz on Jul 23, 2010 8:45:22 GMT 1
OK this is the thread for all things Alien Prequel.
Rumour control here are the facts:
The Prequel is set around 30-100 years before the events in Alien. It deals with humanity in their early stages of space exploration. Instead of hundreds of worlds humanity has only colonised a handful. No Siggy Weaver. The Alien is rumoured not to appear until the end of the movies. It deals with the Space Jockey race from Alien, their homeworld and how the ship came to crash on the planet in Alien. The film is meant to be very dark, very nasty, 'dark side of the moon' as Scott put it. Scott sees the Space Jockey as a Space suit for another creature underneath. There are two movies. Scott is directing. The Brokeback Alien leaked script is NOT the script being used. The film also deals with the ideas of colonisation and terroforming: Gods and Engineers as Scott put it. Both films are being filmed back to back at Shepperton studios where Alien was made this year. 2011-2012 release dates for both films.
More as i find it. ;D
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Post by Lonesome Crow on Jul 23, 2010 23:00:07 GMT 1
Thanks Rusti, very interesting. Hard to imagine an Alien film without an alien (except right at the end).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2010 23:12:44 GMT 1
Yes. It's tough to envision a monster film without the monster.
Are there any other movies like that?
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Post by stevesudz on Jul 24, 2010 13:23:08 GMT 1
Ooooh thank you Rusti..After watching Alien 3 my weight dropped and I went very pale..after Alien 4 I went into shock and turned white..after AVP I sold my TV..after AVP2 I bought a TV just so I could sell it again and decided to become a monk on a small island called Giveupandie Island off the coast of Doomed peninsular near Chernobyl. Learning of the possiblity of the franchise being rescued by the God of directors is wonderful. We may yet breathe again...I'll start packing..
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Post by Lonesome Crow on Jul 24, 2010 15:28:08 GMT 1
Ooooh thank you Rusti..After watching Alien 3 my weight dropped and I went very pale..after Alien 4 I went into shock and turned white..after AVP I sold my TV..after AVP2 I bought a TV just so I could sell it again and decided to become a monk on a small island called Giveupandie Island off the coast of Doomed peninsular near Chernobyl. Learning of the possiblity of the franchise being rescued by the God of directors is wonderful. We may yet breathe again...I'll start packing.. So you weren't impressed with any of them after the second film, 'Aliens' ;D I agree 1 and 2 were the best 3 was sh**e! (not very good) 4 was only just ok, and the two Alien v Pred films were also only just ok.
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Post by stevesudz on Jul 24, 2010 21:52:31 GMT 1
lol..oops..was I a bit harsh? I am a huge Scott/Alien/Bladerunner type fan and I was there waiting with baited breath for Alien 3 to come out. As a scifi nut and said fan I felt that A3 didn't take the story any further, and stood out as just a remake of A1. The Gibson script of A3 was at least unusual and moved the whole Alien universe/story along but that was binned. I know that Mr Buffy-the-vampire-slayer tried to write a good script for A4 and that movie can be critiqued in so many different ways, but the whole design fell on its arse for me. "Big knobbly Pointless Spaceship with small interior nicked from A2" - hmmm. The point of this pointless rant is this.. In Alien, the monster is seen for less than 1 minute in the whole film and STILL scares the pants off you. As the movies progress, A2-A3- more and more of the original ideas are dumped until ..in AVP, a drunk teenager with a shotgun can take out an alien. Whats the point of a franchise if subsequent films rewrite core ideas? I'm with you Lonesome, and I cant wait for A5.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Jul 24, 2010 23:52:09 GMT 1
I liked Alien 3.
Visually the film was stunning, the score was creepy and awesome. In the Quadrilogy ans the Anthology Alien 3 was restored to its origonal Directors Cut over 25 mins extra of footage that was cut off. The restored mins made the film much much more sensible.
I look at the first three films as a whole story. Alien the beginning, Aliens the meaty middle and Alien 3 the end, Ripley and the Alien issue comes to a conclusion. Alien Res and the AVP movies were just too much.
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Post by Lonesome Crow on Jul 25, 2010 3:18:54 GMT 1
I think perhaps A3 didn't work for me because after A2 I read the Dark horse comic and when the film came out it was totally different to what I was expecting.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Jul 27, 2010 16:07:53 GMT 1
I think perhaps A3 didn't work for me because after A2 I read the Dark horse comic and when the film came out it was totally different to what I was expecting. I remember the Dark Horse comics, they were really great. Alien 3 grew on me, i think people didnt like A3 because after Camerons sequal they were expecting more ships, guns, aliens etc and they didnt get it when it didnt happen thet way.
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Post by richardburton on Jul 27, 2010 16:44:05 GMT 1
I have to say I liked Alien 3 too - the original theatrical release was a mess and had been chopped to hell so didn't make a whole lot of sense. But the director's cut that Rus is talking about is much better. I liked Alien Res too. The first two are by far the best of course. The AVP films shouldn't be counted with the 'proper' Alien films. They're ok in isolation, but they don't stand up well against the Alien films.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2010 17:43:54 GMT 1
Is AVP considered canonical in the Alien timeline?
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Post by Ashe Raven on Jul 27, 2010 18:01:55 GMT 1
No, it's consider fan service, which I think is how it shoudl be. Indeed I'd rather Aliens 3 onwards was dumped as official. Dark Horse's "Earth War" did it 10 times better
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Post by Lonesome Crow on Jul 27, 2010 23:44:33 GMT 1
Another thing I was disappointed in by A3 was the size of the Alien. I have read the novelization by Alan Dean Foster based on the screenplay and the host of the Alien in the book was an ox, so subsequently the Alien was huge. why they decided to go for a dog sized Alien.............?
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Post by RustiSwordz on Jul 28, 2010 17:35:03 GMT 1
The sad truth was that after Aliens the franchise had become big big business. When Alien 3 was made it was basicallky pulled at by a whole bunch of people all trying to get in on the act. Two many cooks so to speak. This is a link to the superb Vincent Ward version of Alien 3, the visual design for this is exquisite. Just imagine if this was the version made. vincentwardfilms.com/concepts/alien-3/unrequited-visio/
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Post by richardburton on Jul 28, 2010 18:38:22 GMT 1
That looks really REALLY good.
Regarding the size of the alien in 3 they went for smaller and agile instead probably because big had been done in Aliens with the queen. I liked the Alan Dean Foster novel version too - I've read loads of his screenplay adaptions and some of his other work too.
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