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Post by Relyt on Mar 23, 2010 23:47:54 GMT 1
Today is the start of my homeland's transformation into a socialism. It is now the law to pay for government-run health care. The problem? The working class gets the same medical treatment as the unemployed. This means I, as a soon-to-be working class citizen, will be working long hours and past retirement age to pay for not only my health care, but that of the millions of citizens in this country who simply refuse to work. To top that off, it means there will be waiting lists for procedures, which will certainly result in the deaths of men, women, and children who need immediate medical attention. The bill was passed with the majority of the nation opposing it. We now are forced to pay for something, which is unconstitutional (unconstitutional- violating the set law of the nation, the Constitution). Farewell democracy, sieg heil Obama.  (By the way, there is no reason I'm posting this except that I had to vent my frustration. But I am not alone, there are 500 million others who are likely doing the same.) |
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Post by Lonesome Crow on Mar 24, 2010 0:19:49 GMT 1
;D Welcome to the United Kingdom, We call this the National Health Service (NHS) and have lived with it for many, many years.
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Post by Relyt on Mar 24, 2010 1:04:14 GMT 1
Yeah, stuff like this is ridiculous.
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Post by mrgrotey on Mar 24, 2010 9:35:30 GMT 1
Dont knock it until you've tried it mate. I'm very happy we have the NHS and dont mind the few pence we have to pay if it mean I get free treatment when I need it.
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Post by Commandingtripod on Mar 25, 2010 3:10:33 GMT 1
America won't become the next Soviet Union over this.  Health Care is good, it enables people to get treatment when they normally can't afford it. America is a 1st World Country, yet how many people died of H1N1 (Swineflu) in comparison to the rest of the 1st World? Swine Flu is arguably less deadly than the common flu, but compared with Australia and a number of European countries, America suffered many more fatalities than she probably should have. |
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Post by Lonesome Crow on Mar 25, 2010 23:04:00 GMT 1
Yeah, stuff like this is ridiculous. You misunderstand me 'relyt' we have been living with the NHS for many years and on the whole it works, we live in a society that will care for you no matter how poor you are. Would you really want to be part of a Nation that just left it's citizens to suffer and die because they couldn't afford treatment? Just looked on Google and came apon this headline 'US Senate OKs health care bill, House of Representatives is next' How can you say this bill is unconstitutional? it is OK'd by the US Senate and later OK'd by the House of Representatives, these are the people the Nation voted to represent them, that is Democracy at work, to go against what your elected representatives say is Undemocratic. If you don't like what your representatives do, then don't vote for them next time, that is also what Democracy is all about. You may not like the results but it is Democratic. sometimes you do not like the medicine but in the long-run it might make you better. |
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Post by Anim8tr on Mar 26, 2010 4:46:45 GMT 1
Up 'till now every industrialized nation other than the U.S., has some form of regulated health care. Those countries include: The Netherlands, India, Australia, Hong Kong, UK and many others.
Know what a typical visit to a U.S emergency room and buying decent insurance for a year in the United States have in common?
Around $6000.00 ( £4038.45). And unfortunately, that's no joke. Per individual/employee. Per year. Spouses and kids cost even more. The zeros boggle the imagination.
Basic preventive care should cost far less per year than a visit to the E.R. Who will charge you exactly the same if you need a vital medication filled, or sever an artery.
Universal Coverage will encourage both children and adults get check-ups, x-rays and pursue needed services and medication. Stimulate markets and research, and promote preventative medicine. Far cheaper in the long run than picking up the tab for E.R. visits or ambulance rides. Which we're already doing.
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Post by RustiSwordz on Mar 26, 2010 9:19:49 GMT 1
I'm with most of the guys on this thread.
Yes the NHS is a flawed system but we are so much better with it. Its saved the life of more than one family member who would have perished without it. I cant aford health insurance, im not paid enough and i'm on more money than a lot of people i know.
I work 12 hour shifts (well until end May) and God knows what i will do because im being made redundant then not by my choice. If i fell i'll, or was injured at least i have a fighting chance.
I understand where Relyt is coming from, the potential for abuse is high. The NHS needs a good clear out of the wastage, management and stupid unessary procedures like free boob jobs and sex swap operations. However the advantages outweigh the cons.
The US is a land of low taxes and fuel. taxes and costs are rising but compared to the UK the US payes a fraction of the tax we do in the UK. So really with all due respect there is little sympathy from this side of the pond.
The US will be a better place for it. It means a careful eye will have to be put on those taxes, but it will be a benefit in the long run. You will understand when little Johnny falls ill and his life is saved when he would have died because his insurance hasnt been topped up that month.
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Post by richardburton on Mar 26, 2010 10:36:29 GMT 1
Well said guys. The NHS is flawed - my wife works in it and gets very frustrated with all the red tape and waste - but it is a lot better than nothing. And for such a massive organisation it does pretty well. I know several people who would've been in serious trouble without the NHS. Civilised societies are supposed to look after their sick and infirm and if that costs the work force a few pennies extra, then so be it. I work and pay my taxes and I'm happy to pay in to it.
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Post by Lonesome Crow on Mar 26, 2010 23:41:47 GMT 1
I'm a cyclist and in 2004 I was knocked off my bike by a DFS furniture lorry and woke up in hospital with a cute Chinese doctor asking me to tell her the name of a Prime minister, so I said Churchill and went back to sleep for the next day and a half. I had severe concussion, 3 broken ribs, dislocated shoulder and severe bruising all down my left side. because of the NHS it didn't cost me anything above what I'd paid already. I know the NHS is not a perfect scheme and as a dental technician I see dentists abusing the system every day. It's not perfect, but I'm bloody glad we've got it.  |
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