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Post by mrgrotey on Apr 7, 2007 14:19:32 GMT 1
Hi guys, a few of you have seen my 3d MFM in the fan creations section and im looking to put it in a scene with a load of soldiers and cannons and so on. The thing im having a hard time finding out is what the soldiers actually looks like, i need some form of decent reference pictures to make the soldiers. it says in the HG Wells book that its late 19th century and tyhat means that its the old red uniform guys but has anybody got any decent pictures of what they looks like?
Ive got Zulu (Michael Caine) on DVD and that was late 19th century but would that be a completely wrong uniform to go by?
if it would be similar then its a great source but i dont want to make them like that if they are competely the wrong sort of soldier.
I scoured google images but can seem to get any definite pics.
In the book it mentions Maxims and hussars but not much abouit their uniform.
any help would be brilliant, thanks people
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Post by Commandingtripod on Apr 7, 2007 14:29:43 GMT 1
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Post by Scifishocks on Apr 7, 2007 18:53:46 GMT 1
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Post by steann on Apr 8, 2007 1:53:59 GMT 1
( i am open to correction here ) wasn't khaki
first introduced in 1848 for british regimental uniforms in India ? and sometime later was adopted by the entire army...www1 ?
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Post by Scifishocks on Apr 8, 2007 6:31:25 GMT 1
( i am open to correction here ) wasn't khaki first introduced in 1848 for british regimental uniforms in India ? and sometime later was adopted by the entire army...www1 ? Yes, pretty much. |
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Post by mrgrotey on Apr 8, 2007 12:47:23 GMT 1
wow i really wish the reply notifications works for me, i get one and then all these other replies were unknown to me  thanks for all the help guys, ive been working on the uniform now and have gone for a red tunic and it seems to be a bit in debate so cant see it really having much importance, i may do some with the blue tunics though they look pretty nice and a different hat will make the soldier look a lot different. check my tripod thread to see where im at. (well give me a few minutes anyway  thansk again for the help and links much appreciated |
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Post by Commandingtripod on Apr 8, 2007 13:10:31 GMT 1
Glad I could help in some way or another.  |
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Post by stewymartian on Apr 8, 2007 21:59:07 GMT 1
Personally I'm of the opinion that the British army was wearing khaki by the time of WOTW. I know it's not as asthetically pleasing (brave charges by redcoated infantry against the Martian pit on Horsell common has a certain glamourous charm that khaki doesn't have), but I'm sure it's more accurate for the time (somewhere around 1902-06 is generally accepted as the timescale involved). Although we are talking about a book descibing an alien invasion here, so I'm not sure if my use of the word accurate is entirely appropriate.
The main problem with the period is that it was a time of great change, so things were in a certain state of flux. Wells was also writing of an event in his future, so his desciptions written in 1897 do not match was really happening in the time of the book.
Nerfy gives a date of 1903 for the end of the Boer war, which is right. However, this was the second boer war (1900-02), the first Boer war took place between 1880-81. It was during this conflict that the British army finally realised that red uniforms were a bad idea and began to move to less conspicuous khaki. I would make the assumption (admittedly without definitive evidence) that khaki had spread to all units by the turn of the century.
The Royal Artillery, which are the troop type that feature most heavily in the book, never wore red. They had blue uniforms. In fact even in the 1980's (and quite probably continuing now) RA officers could be found wearing blue jumpers and not green ones.
The pic on Nerfy's post on the Jeff Wayne forum shows these blue uniforms (not to be confused with the French!), although the picture is much too early for WOTW.
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Post by steann on Apr 8, 2007 23:08:46 GMT 1
i love this topic big YAY to whoever started it ;D the british army uniform developed along roughly the same lines as uniforms in other european armies , its signature colour standardised on red for foot units and dark blue for most others at the end of the seventeenth century then khaki ( for everyday wear ) whereas the american revolution , when the army of king george III turned out in red general george washington specified blue for the continental army uniform coat in 1779 regulations of 1821 reiterated that the army would wear the national blue, and blue remained the only color of the army uniform until 1902 in 1954 the army adopted the army green army blue emerged from 18th century warfare, when battle formations required soldiers to stand elbow to elbow with smoothbore muskets and colorful uniforms provided unit cohesion amid the clouds of black-powder smoke |
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Post by stewymartian on Apr 9, 2007 20:48:41 GMT 1
i love this topic big YAY to whoever started it ;D Oh yes! there's nothing like a thread like this to bring out the inner anorak. |
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Post by steann on Apr 9, 2007 22:51:06 GMT 1
poop...i just KNEW i should have went for the camouflage gear  |
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Post by killraven on Apr 10, 2007 18:33:38 GMT 1
I thought that pre-khaki British troops were colour coded according to their role and regiment.
I'm sure the novel actually refers to some of this colour coding and mentions white uniforms. I don't have the novel to hand, but this might have been reference to the troops on horseback the narrator and artillerymen came across on their way to Weybridge and described the fighting machines?
KR
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Post by stewymartian on Apr 10, 2007 20:13:50 GMT 1
Ok, I found this quote on answers.com:
"In 1902 a darker shade of Service Dress (SD)was adopted for field and ordinary use in Britain itself. The scarlet, blue and rifle green uniforms were relegated for wear as full dress on parade and walking out dress when off duty."
So it seems that it all depends on what date you accept for the invasion to have taken place. The book doesn't give a definitive answer, but it can't be before 1900 (Wells does at least say that the war happened in the 20th century). Red is possible if the war happened in 1900-1902, but unlikely if anytime afterwards.
Wells, however, wrote the story in 1897, when the army would still have been wearing the architypical red and blue uniforms associated with 19th century soldiers.
As far I can see white was only worn by british units on tropical service.
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Post by steann on Apr 11, 2007 1:14:24 GMT 1
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Post by mrgrotey on Apr 11, 2007 10:04:40 GMT 1
wow is this still going  well it seems that the general agreement is that khaki came is as standard issue in 1902. im taking that as fact, the only debate sees to be the date the story took place. A very interesting point is what stewymartian said "...Wells, however, wrote the story in 1897, when the army would still have been wearing the architypical red and blue uniforms associated with 19th century soldiers.
..." thats a great point, thats probably how Wells imagined them himself. However im slowly getting to grips with the fact that it seems to be believed that it happen 1902'ish where they would be khaki so i may have to bite the bullet (very apt phrase and scrap (or at least modify) my soldier into a khaki guy. I wont just leave the scarlet guy unfinished i think ill finish him off and just have him as a stand alone piece for my portfolio but im pretty sure he wont be in my finsal image though he would stand out a little better i fell. ah well you cant win them all from the helpful members here iv got these two images to go by and would greatly appreciate if anyone new of any other images of the same uniform   thanks guys this is a really interesting topic. |
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thanks for all the help guys, ive been working on the uniform now and have gone for a red tunic and it seems to be a bit in debate so cant see it really having much importance, i may do some with the blue tunics though they look pretty nice and a different hat will make the soldier look a lot different. check my tripod thread to see where im at. (well give me a few minutes anyway 
thansk again for the help and links much appreciated 
