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Post by RustiSwordz on May 22, 2009 23:54:52 GMT 1
To back up what Fs said weve been dissapointed over the years with one prodution or another. So we are a tad skeptical, but we support anyone who will give WOTW the attenrtion it deserves.
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Post by MGMFilms on May 23, 2009 3:03:31 GMT 1
To back up what Fs said weve been dissapointed over the years with one prodution or another. So we are a tad skeptical, but we support anyone who will give WOTW the attenrtion it deserves. Thats my point My expierence on these boards has been one of high expectations and broken promises. I consider it courtesy to have even plucked up the courage to say anything without laying down any promises. And to be frank, not everyone's going to be happy. Be as skeptical as you like but I will be revaluing nothing until I have something concrete to tell you. Plus I am often fond of the saying, if you want the best adaption of any book, read the book. I have not once seen a film worthy of it's source material. That is not to say I wont give it my best shot. It's often easier to demand something we feel the source deserves than it is to execute. |
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Post by MGMFilms on May 23, 2009 3:10:09 GMT 1
Thanks for the reply MGM. Slightly abrupt reply though I have to say as you missed 2 of the questions about whether you're a fan of the book and what MGM stands for? Not just a fan but a huge fan, my favorite novel ever. I grew up on the madness from the book, through the Jeff Wayne album through to the continuous pushing as to why we haven't seen a half way decent film in last 50 years Let's have a bit more info MGM if you can. As for the identity of what MGM stands for? I'll reveal that at another time as my company itself is fledgling and to be honest, I am not opening myself up until I have something concrete. After reading through the Hines, Stephen Spielberg and other graphically expressed "disappointments" about science Fiction reboots, I am understandably less willing to say anymore than what I can officially provide. This board has a habit of being unforgiving and "passionate" about certain subjects and I do not wish to be the cause of another "split" in the Likes and Hates camp. I intend to keep this project as civil and as open as possible, but as I said in the opening, I am not interested in questions right now, just input. I can answer no questions without something solid to provide you. I seem to remember a certain other film director making great promises and delivering disappointment. I do not intend to fall in that trap. You will get what I can deliver, and the only promise I can make is to make a 250% effort to at least try to please most of you. Sorry for my curt response, but I hope it;s made things a little clearer. Clear heads and low expectations help for greater potentials |
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on May 24, 2009 0:07:16 GMT 1
Not just a fan but a huge fan, my favorite novel ever. I grew up on the madness from the book, through the Jeff Wayne album through to the continuous pushing as to why we haven't seen a half way decent film in last 50 years Let's have a bit more info MGM if you can. As for the identity of what MGM stands for? I'll reveal that at another time as my company itself is fledgling and to be honest, I am not opening myself up until I have something concrete. After reading through the Hines, Stephen Spielberg and other graphically expressed "disappointments" about science Fiction reboots, I am understandably less willing to say anymore than what I can officially provide. This board has a habit of being unforgiving and "passionate" about certain subjects and I do not wish to be the cause of another "split" in the Likes and Hates camp. I intend to keep this project as civil and as open as possible, but as I said in the opening, I am not interested in questions right now, just input. I can answer no questions without something solid to provide you. I seem to remember a certain other film director making great promises and delivering disappointment. I do not intend to fall in that trap. You will get what I can deliver, and the only promise I can make is to make a 250% effort to at least try to please most of you. Sorry for my curt response, but I hope it;s made things a little clearer. Clear heads and low expectations help for greater potentials Thanks again for that reply and interesting to read what you say. To be fair to everyone on this board some people are more forgiving than others when it comes to the WOTW adaptations - even though I think most fans of the book fall into the "less forgiving" camp when it comes to adaptations of it. I'm definitely in the "less forgiving" camp as I think the book is a masterpiece and deserves a film adaptation that's also a masterpiece. As a certain so called film maker once said - "fans expectations are huge" and I really don't think second best will do when it comes to translating Wells book to the big screen. Unfortunately that person didn't even produce 2nd best - more like 22nd best! I mean look at that appalling half arsed Time Machine remake recently too. Because they wanted it set in the USA as usual it just ended up a mess. If they had just filmed the book and set it where it should have been set - it could have been great and would have been far more interesting. Lord of the Rings like everything wasn't perfect but that was pretty respectful to the book and captured the spirit of it well. To me Wells book is just as much a horror story as sci fi and any film of it should also be as realistic, scary and gritty as possible and intelligently and imaginatively done. I think it can be done and like Rusti says I'm sure everyone will support anyone who wants to do a decent adaptation. I really think that it has to have a decent budget though. Doing a film about a Martian invasion at the turn of the last century can't be done on a shoestring budget and some people might think I'm setting my expectations too high [ I know nothing's perfect ] but what's the point in doing a half arsed adaptation? I think the only film makers who would consider doing a mediocre version are ones who don't care about the book. |
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Post by Lonesome Crow on May 24, 2009 16:22:45 GMT 1
I believe a lot of the problem is the screen writers trying to stamp their mark on a production and trying to bring present-day issues into the story which totally differ from the point the author was originally making.
I feel WotWs is not so much about the invasion of an alien species, but is more about how fragile civilisation is in an overwhelming disaster,the point where we stop working together and start turning against each other.
So I'll hold my judgment of your production until I've seen something.
Best of luck.
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Post by MGMFilms on May 24, 2009 16:45:13 GMT 1
I think the only film makers who would consider doing a mediocre version are ones who don't care about the book. Agreed, and trying to be honest here, I can put no stamp on my effort until I know what my budget is. Once I know, we'll have a beter idea what we can do with it. It's a sad reality that money comes at a price, and it's one thing I am trying to avoid, as I fear that ppride might be the overall quality of the film itself. Budgets int he film world is unfortunately one of the biggest banes of a producer's life. The one giving it always wants something for the price. I hate the negotiation part of all of this process the most |
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on May 24, 2009 23:25:51 GMT 1
It's hard to say what budget it would need. Even though it would need great actors they wouldn't need to be A list stars [ and we could do without another Tom Cruise anyway as someone like him is an action star and not known as a great actor ] so that could cut down on costs and the story itself should be the star.
It can't have rubbish special effects and production values though so I'd say it would need at least a budget of $50 million [ roughly £30 million ] - probably more. I know a big budget is absolutely no guarantee of a good film - far, far from it but it can't look cheap.
And there's also the question of what will it be called? If it's Wells book then it should be called the proper title HGWTWOTWorlds.
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Post by MGMFilms on May 25, 2009 4:06:48 GMT 1
Heh, I think you are exaggerating the special effects budget immensely, but I'll debate that and explain why at a future time  |
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on May 25, 2009 22:46:21 GMT 1
Heh, I think you are exaggerating the special effects budget immensely, but I'll debate that and explain why at a future time That was more my estimate of the budget for the whole film but I still think there's absolutely no point in doing this on the cheap. We've seen what happens when it's done on the cheap so the last thing we all want I'm sure you will agree is another amateurish straight to dvd effort. |
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Post by MGMFilms on May 26, 2009 0:51:09 GMT 1
That was more my estimate of the budget for the whole film but I still think there's absolutely no point in doing this on the cheap. We've seen what happens when it's done on the cheap so the last thing we all want I'm sure you will agree is another amateurish straight to dvd effort. Oh most definitely. I think what we have to watch out for is not to fall into that trap of cost over quality. I'm trying hard not to draw comparisons here, but I fear that Hine's major weakness wasn't his budget but his over all control of Quality |
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on May 26, 2009 20:36:09 GMT 1
That was more my estimate of the budget for the whole film but I still think there's absolutely no point in doing this on the cheap. We've seen what happens when it's done on the cheap so the last thing we all want I'm sure you will agree is another amateurish straight to dvd effort. Oh most definitely. I think what we have to watch out for is not to fall into that trap of cost over quality. I'm trying hard not to draw comparisons here, but I fear that Hine's major weakness wasn't his budget but his over all control of Quality I don't want to talk about them in depth as I want to give them as little publicity as possible but I think it was both. They just didn't have anywhere near the amount of dough needed to do the story justice [ plus it's obvious that the film was never going to be a cinema release ] plus they were basically unfit for the job. It will take talent, resources and imagination to bring the story to the screen. |
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Post by MGMFilms on May 26, 2009 21:01:18 GMT 1
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Post by stevesudz on May 28, 2009 19:02:45 GMT 1
Sometimes truth hurts. American made films are generally paid for by American business who see everything the American way...and subsequently change everything that matters and dumns the script down to the creative and artistic level of a wall street hedge fund manager. Like I say, the truth is horrible. Just as horrible as the fact that films made in the UK tend to be London based gangster shotgun flicks where everyone says "fek mayte! that 'urt!". If WOTW is made by a big over financed company then the soul will get ripped out of it...again. If Shpeilbumf can get it utterly wrong then others will have little faith in a new version especially if most americans dont understand the sub plots about the english imperialism and complacency. Some 23 year old wonderkid script writer will write a new version ( set in LA in 2010) and have Mom and Dad getting divorced and the Vietnam vet will be his alcoholic uncle etc..etc..Cynical?...you bet. Victorian England is a complete mystery for the US and has been since Geogre Pal. A true version can and will be made. Here in the UK because that is the only way a non commercially manipulated version will ever get made. I apologise if this seems harsh but I for one am extremely passionate about the amount of English literature that has been spoiled time and again.
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Post by FALLINGSTAR on May 28, 2009 22:53:24 GMT 1
Sometimes truth hurts. American made films are generally paid for by American business who see everything the American way...and subsequently change everything that matters and dumns the script down to the creative and artistic level of a wall street hedge fund manager. Like I say, the truth is horrible. Just as horrible as the fact that films made in the UK tend to be London based gangster shotgun flicks where everyone says "fek mayte! that 'urt!". If WOTW is made by a big over financed company then the soul will get ripped out of it...again. If Shpeilbumf can get it utterly wrong then others will have little faith in a new version especially if most americans dont understand the sub plots about the english imperialism and complacency. Some 23 year old wonderkid script writer will write a new version ( set in LA in 2010) and have Mom and Dad getting divorced and the Vietnam vet will be his alcoholic uncle etc..etc..Cynical?...you bet. Victorian England is a complete mystery for the US and has been since Geogre Pal. A true version can and will be made. Here in the UK because that is the only way a non commercially manipulated version will ever get made. I apologise if this seems harsh but I for one am extremely passionate about the amount of English literature that has been spoiled time and again. Well, can't argue with what you said there. I can't remember all the rights isues [ even though I've often looked at them on here ] but you'd think some British film maker would have at least considered it by now. Unfortunately Jeff Wayne and Paramount would most probably put a stop to that though. |
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