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Post by Lonesome Crow on Jan 18, 2009 22:56:29 GMT 1
Well if you are happy with that explanation so am I, it will make this a whole lot easier. The Hood: Chapter Ten: In the Storm.It picked its road as it went striding along, and the brazen hood that surmounted it moved to and fro with the inevitable suggestion of a head looking about.I think the Hood should be basically spherical, of course I’ve had to make allowances for the upper part of the leg to pass through as is seen in the animation.  The Hood rises out of the centre of the main body on a telescopic neck but does not rotate with the rest of the machine (just in case anyone wants to still go along with the rotary motion  ). There is a circular hatch on the top of the Hood that the Martian can enter and exit by.  The Hood may have to change shape as I had intended attaching the Heat-Ray’s arm to the underside, also the side view looks too much like Pacman.  Again, your opinions please. |
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Post by mrgrotey on Jan 18, 2009 23:11:25 GMT 1
Tell me to shut up if you want because I feel like an annoying nit-picker here but the term brazen means made of brass no?
Good work by the way. If you get this finished I'll model it in 3d if you/others agree???
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Post by Lonesome Crow on Jan 18, 2009 23:34:25 GMT 1
Tell me to shut up if you want because I feel like an annoying nit-picker here but the term brazen means made of brass no? Yes it can mean brassy or brass like, but it also means; Shameless, defiant and bold, I think this is more what H.G. was trying to convey, because he describes the machines as looking like aluminium. That would be great. Join in when ever you like, put forward your own ideas, I don't want this to be a one persons opinion of what the tripod should look like. I'll go along with whatever the majority think, I may scream and have tantrum but I'll succumb ;D. I shan't do any more just yet, not until we've heard other peoples ideas and opinions. |
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Post by Anim8tr on Jan 19, 2009 2:44:29 GMT 1
I really like the initial concepts so far. Since we are discussing elements essential to body design, might I introduce a few points?
In Book II; Chapter one of Well's work:
"Four or five little black figures hurried before it across the
green-grey of the field, and in a moment it was evident this Martian
pursued them. In three strides he was among them, and they ran
radiating from his feet in all directions. He used no Heat-Ray to
destroy them, but picked them up one by one. Apparently he tossed
them into the great metallic carrier which projected behind him, much
as a workman's basket hangs over his shoulder."
This 'cage' is again mentioned in chapter 3.
Should this suggest such a cage is detachable or fixed? Or perhaps a bit of both? And how should it integrate into the model as a whole?
Also, black smoke. The black smoke is fired in a manner the book suggests is missle-like. But where within our present design or what does the launching?
These are elements I hope will be considered.
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Post by Relyt on Jan 19, 2009 4:06:11 GMT 1
Well in chapter 15, "What had happened in Surrey," Wells describes the narrator's first encounter with the Black Smoke. Each fighting machine had a long, thick black metal tube which was held in each machines' tentacles. These tubes launched (without a muzzle blast like any cannon) canisters that smashed on the ground (again, without exploding) and a chemical combined with the air to create the black smoke.
So, the black smoke "gun," or whatever you want to call it, is long, thick, dark, metallic, and cylindrical.
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Post by poyks on Jan 19, 2009 4:48:53 GMT 1
Well in chapter 15, "What had happened in Surrey," Wells describes the narrator's first encounter with the Black Smoke. Each fighting machine had a long, thick black metal tube which was held in each machines' tentacles. These tubes launched (without a muzzle blast like any cannon) canisters that smashed on the ground (again, without exploding) and a chemical combined with the air to create the black smoke. So, the black smoke "gun," or whatever you want to call it, is long, thick, dark, metallic, and cylindrical. It's a long time since I dug out my very old pastel picture, but this is my representation of the martians holding and using the black smoke canisters. I envisaged them as simple tentacle held cannon type vessels.  As for the hood, I always considered this shape as very accurate even though it is anatomically inaccurate in it's position. It looks very 'hood' like and could possibly be an improvement on the sphere shape?  I just like the peaked arch shape as it adds what seems to be a more Victorian description of what a hooded garment of the time may have looked like. |
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Post by Relyt on Jan 19, 2009 6:37:07 GMT 1
Here's another good representation of the Black Smoke "gun" as well.  |
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Post by Lonesome Crow on Jan 19, 2009 23:35:02 GMT 1
Yes Anim8tr we will be getting around to all the other parts, such as leg Joints, Basket, Feet, Tentacles and Heat-Ray and Black smoke launcher, but first we’re just putting the machine itself together. Although it should be pointed out the Black smoke launcher was not part of the Tripod, it was not a fixed, permanent item like I believe the Heat-Ray was. As this passage shows. Book Two chapter 15, ‘What had happened in Surrey’It was a few minutes past nine that night when these three sentinels were joined by four other Martians, each carrying a thick black tube. A similar tube was handed to each of the three, and the seven proceeded to distribute themselves at equal distances along a curved line between St. George's Hill, Weybridge, and the village of Send, southwest of Ripley.As ‘Relyt’ says “it’s long, thick, metallic, and cylindrical” I imagine it as a modern day Rocket launcher. I have depicted the Black Smoke launchers before here www.eveofthewar.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1310&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=450Scroll down to the bottom of the page and you can see it in action, but as Relyt says without the muzzle flash. ;D ‘Poyks’ Love your picture I’ve seen a small version of it as the cover for your album, nice to see it clearly. And I totally agree, The peaked hood looks better and it could also explain why the narrator described the object he saw in the storm as a wet roof. So here’s the new looking hood and I’ve added tentacle ports just to give it a bit more bulk.  |
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Post by poyks on Jan 20, 2009 13:35:06 GMT 1
That looks superb!  Working on the system that we're getting the initial design from top to bottom, I'll chuck in a few ideas. The telescopic neck looks a little rigid and terestrial, something more organic may be needed. "...and the brazen hood that surmounted it moved to and fro with the inevitable suggestion of a head looking about." I like the idea of the "to and fro" as though it has that creepy organic almost human parody. Body wise, we have the interesting description; "...and it was said the first party of Martians were crawling slowly towards their second cylinder under cover of a metal shield. Later this shield staggered up on tripod legs and became the first of the fighting-machines I had seen." That provides an interesting challenge!  |
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Post by Relyt on Jan 20, 2009 16:02:21 GMT 1
Actually, I think the metal shield was the head.
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Post by Lonesome Crow on Jan 20, 2009 21:48:39 GMT 1
The telescopic neck idea is something I used in the cover picture for Nerfy's next book 'WotWs Remembrance'  And here's the original sketch (side view)  I wanted to create the feeling of a cobra about to strike so I angled the neck back and mounted the Hood in front of it rather than on top. Do you think this would work better? If I flared the base of the hood out but kept the peak I think it would suit another description from the book: Chapter Nine: The Fighting Begins....He turned, stared, bawled something about "crawling out in a thing like a dish cover," and ran on to the gate of the house at the crest.If the Hood was lowered down onto the main body (like an oyster closed up) I think it would resemble a 'Dish Cover'What do you think? |
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Post by poyks on Jan 21, 2009 14:17:21 GMT 1
I'm liking those ideas very much.
Seeing the basket there makes me wonder if this design should have it attached to the main body. I'll have another look through the book for more details.
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Post by Lonesome Crow on Jan 21, 2009 21:31:58 GMT 1
I'm liking those ideas very much. Seeing the basket there makes me wonder if this design should have it attached to the main body. I'll have another look through the book for more details. Yes you are right. Chapter 10: In the Storm.Behind the main body was a huge mass of white metal like a gigantic fisherman's basket,So the basket should be attached to the back of the Main Body. Also what I have drawn is more like Fisherman's Keep Net than a Fisherman's Basket. I Googled Fisherman's basket and they do vary a great deal in design so I shall choose the most appropriate one for the job. |
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Post by Lonesome Crow on Jan 22, 2009 22:04:42 GMT 1
OK, The revised Tripod, the Main Body needs to be rotated 120 degrees so the machine now has one leg at the front and two at the back with the basket hanging between them, I have cut the back section of the main body off and fitted the basket in it's place. Thanks Relyt for this idea. I have only sketched the hood section in, no point spending time doing a full render until I've got your opinions, I have given the telescopic neck a more organic look.  |
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Post by Bagnew on Jan 23, 2009 0:32:26 GMT 1
That sir, is AWESOME.
When I first read the book, I had something with a slightly wider head in mind, but that's probably because of all the pictures I've seen, but I think that a head of this size is more in proportion to the "Head looking about."
I'm liking the more organic Feel of the new neck, and I feel that the indents for the legs aren't so intrusive on this head as they were on the Pacman head.
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